Friday, April 25, 2008

We can always tell when you haven't read ANY of the linked articles.

On a two and a half year old post:
I don't understand what this website is about... Men are portrayed in the same light as the women are... it is the nature of the "FANTASY" of a comic book. Get over it.

(In case anyone is still confused what sort of comments prompted this.)


  1. We have the same troll, maybe?
    Was his IP or thereabouts?

  2. I think I'll wait about 6 months to comment on this. ;)

  3. Time between original post and comment: 2.5 years.

    Time it takes to type a non-coherent comment: 1 minute.

    Showing your laziness and ignorance to a mass audience: Priceless and everlasting.

  4. Not sure if anyone else has this problem, but I can't read the text under the quote without highlighting it.

  5. Now THAT guy deserves the feminist bingo card thing. Having to deal with that type of thing, I can see why the card was made in the first place. However, I'm fairly confident that most people still take these things on a case-by-case basis. I could go into an actual reasoned response on how male gender role ideals are actually similarly warped by comics, but no one would read it... and I'm strangely pretty ok with that, cause I really enjoy just listening to you all at least as much as being able to respond.

    And BTW, its generally not good form to post people's IP addresses publicly for no real reason. That is addressed to neena and not you Ragnell.

  6. And BTW, its generally not good form to post people's IP addresses publicly for no real reason. That is addressed to neena and not you Ragnell.

    Warning of a potential troll is good enough reason for me. I can't think of a feminist blogger who hasn't had some troll or another waltz in via WFA to share his/her (usually his, but not always) "wisdom".

    I definitely appreciate the warning that if I see this IP hovering about my blog that it's someone already antagonist to my viewpoint and someone I shouldn't be surprised to get trouble from.

    Besides, it's the internet. If you don't want your IP known, don't post anywhere that logs such a thing.

  7. Brett -- You're new here so you need to know some things. We'll start with the faux pas in your comment.

    1) This post was not on the Bingo card. So using the comment thread to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of a joke that was not brought up by the original posters or another commenter comes off as obnoxious. Were you a regular commenter or someone I knew personally, I would have an idea of why you might think that the two subjects go immediately together or at least a reason to want you to hang around anyway. You are brand new and seem to be just latching onto my comment section as a way to get someone to read your thoughts on an issue that is only related to the post itself by a thin thread.

    Were your thoughts particularly entertaining or insightful, it would be reasonable to want people who don't normally see your thoughts to see them. In such a case commenting on an unfamiliar blog would be forgiveable. But there is nothing new or notable in that first paragraph, so in the future you should keep your pontifications either to those directly related to the subject at hand or to your own blog.

    2) When speaking to someone, get their name right. She is Nenena, not Neena. (Also, the person you refer to on your blog is "Willow" not "Avalon.")

    3) Nenena is from a livejournal. When someone comments on a livejournal, it warns when the IP is being recorded. The troll who was rude to Nenena was well aware when being rude to her that she was getting the IP address for use as she likes. The troll signed off on that when the troll pressed "post". The information is hers to dispense as she pleases.

    4) IP addresses are only partial indicators of identity. Most are dynamic IPs that lead back to a service provider such as Cox Communications. In order to use them to identify a person, one needs to contact the ISP and let them know why they need the information on their paying customer. At times it can lead to a person's place of employment--but the only businesses that have dedicated servers tend to be huge corporations so it's not a ready identifier. It takes quite a bit of work to use an IP to get to a person's home. If you can, you're a dedicated hacker and can find them some other way. This is not like posting someone's real name, address, or home phone number.

    In this case, the good gained from passing the IP--allowing web administrators to identify and fortify against a troll--outweighs the potential bad of tracking down a person (especially since that particular IP leads to Cox Communications ISP and not to someone's palce of business.)

    5) I'm of the school of thought that the only person who gets to be an annoying know-it-all on my blog is me. I feel the same courtesy extends to you. Take your annoying know-it-allness to your own blog, and I will keep mine here.

    6) It is galling that someone who abuses the comment form on a blog to steer the conversation away from the original poster's interest in favor of their own interests and doesn't have the consideration to get other commenters names right is lecturing someone else on "good form" on the internet.

    Evaluate yourself before you comment again.

  8. Wow. Ok I guess I need to backtrack here. My point was not to divert the conversation to the bingo card, but to point out how it would have been useful here. Considering one of the card values is EXACTLY the quote from your original blog posting, I assumed the relevance would be self evident. I was wrong. I also apologize for mistaking a few people's names. I don't apologize for any of the other stuff on your laundry list. So feel free to delete my comments if they are that problematic.

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  10. Brett;

    I posted the IP without also posting the troll's handle or any other identifying information. So the troll's identity, so far as it is in the wilds of the internet, is still protected.

    But really though, like Ragnell said, an IP isn't that secretive of a bit of information. If you have ever commented on a blog, a livejournal, or posted on an internet forum, then there are already a bunch of people out there who know your IP.

    For blog owners, especially feminist blog owners, an IP can be a useful tool for identifying and avoiding trolls. Hence, my comment.