tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post8001651733612701437..comments2024-01-02T09:18:23.893-05:00Comments on Written World: Clear CommunicationRagnellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-13248270068564554682009-12-27T17:54:43.506-05:002009-12-27T17:54:43.506-05:00Larry is an idiot. Always has been, always will be...Larry is an idiot. Always has been, always will be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-59914845541735425092009-12-18T02:07:25.568-05:002009-12-18T02:07:25.568-05:00Wow. How sad is it that certain anonymous people ...Wow. How sad is it that certain anonymous people need to spend that long stroking their own ego in a two-week-old post.kalinarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01417686761943716312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-59635519192487339022009-12-17T22:47:39.910-05:002009-12-17T22:47:39.910-05:00"I do want to let you know that the provincia..."I do want to let you know that the provincial American argument looks dumb against someone who lives in Europe herself, but I'll give you that it is a classic. Yeah, my nationality is American but I've been out of the country long enough to realize the 'Europeans are just more enlightened' tactic is utter bullshit meant to prey on deep-seated insecurities many of my countrymen hide with patriotic bluster. I know your leader brought it out, but he looked dumb when he did it too."<br /><br />My leader? I assume you mean Rich. I have a totally blank opinion of the man. I have never met him nor spoken to him online. I'm actually far more closely alligned with yourself, Kalinara, Chris Sims, Mike Sterling, et al in terms of internet comic blogger alliances force all stars. I hardly consider him my leader.<br /><br />In point of fact I'm actually a little disappointed in you (I know, like you give a toss) rather than defending Rich. I don't find the image offensive. But then I'm not always sensitive to gender issues in adveritsing and imagery (I kind of ignored feminist criticism whilst doing my lit degree). But often yourself or another when fangirls attack contributor would present an argument that would open my eyes to issues I had not considered. I had absolutely no problem with the MJ statue at first glance, for example, until it was connotations were suggested to me that I had not inferred.<br /><br />As for the European argument. Well I understand what you're acussing me of and whilst I can assure you that was not my intention I doubt you'll buy that. Nonetheless I apologise. I did not mean to infer that Americans are less "enlightened" than Europeans. I only meant to suggest that the differences in attitude to art and advertising between the two cultures might account for why I'm not offended by the image.<br /><br />"And yes, we're all impressed you know the phrase "Ad hominem." Good for you, kiddo."<br /><br />Firstly, "kiddo?" for someone who points out the fallacies in the arguments of others you sure do like to employ them yourself. Ending on this phrase is incidentally another ad hominem, albeit a subtle one, implying that I am younger than you, less experienced than you, less intelligent than you and thus just using big words I don't understand to make myself sound intelligent. For all you know Ragnell I am an 80 year old university professor. Less of the "kiddo" please.<br /><br />And yes, I do know what "ad hominem" means. It is one of my many talents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-89956052002922805262009-12-17T22:47:12.533-05:002009-12-17T22:47:12.533-05:00"Anon -- Lovely try. But I'm not softened..."Anon -- Lovely try. But I'm not softened by you agreeing with my actual point after you've used so many arguments that piss me off. Framing with agreements is normally disarming tactic, though, and I'm sure it has served you well."<br /><br />I'm unsure what you mean by "disarming" in this context. As far as I'm concerned framing agreements is a standard form of moving debate on, we agree on this, we don't agree on this, let's focus on what we don't agree on. Okay we've reached consensus there, well what about this.<br /><br />"Really, though, if you usually liked me and read what I wrote, you'd already know why I found the image offensive and not be the slightest bit surprised I peppered my reaction with colorful insults."<br /><br />I confess I'm not a regular reader of this site but I used to read when fangirls attack back in the day and I'm familiar with your online presence. Nonetheless I don't know what you find offensive about the image because you haven't told me or anyone. <br /><br />I can guess. Is it because you are offended at the female form being used as a promotional device? Are you offended by the lack of a face and so the dehumanising of women to just a set of tits? Is it the passive role of the woman in the image? There could be all manner of things that offend you but you haven't spelled them out at all.<br /><br />"Civility as an indicator of moral strength is often used to shut down rightfully angry people. See, for some reason we think it's shameful to be angry even when you have a good reason for it and for some reason it's easy to be polite when you're not the one offended by your gender worth's being classified yet again by fuckability. The idea that civility has anything to do with who has the right position in any argument is just plain stupid."<br /><br />All right point conceded. You are right. Lack of civility doesn't make you "wrong" anymore than civility makes a person "right."<br /><br />But its not just that lack of civlity is obscuring an argument, you haven't presented an argument. The sum total of your comments on this issue have been to insult Rich and Larry. You haven't explained why you disagree with the image or with the gentleman in question you've merely accused them of being scum and rats. Rich and Larry have at least presented arguments. In Larry's case one I find abhorrent and unappealling. In Rich's case he's mostly just presenting context, context that serves to excuse him admittedly and I can see why you might infer a certain "weaselling out" from that.<br /><br />Anger and lack of cvility is excused when there is substance behind it, but being rude for being rude's sake is, well, rude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-46290906952784275482009-12-09T22:57:11.721-05:002009-12-09T22:57:11.721-05:00That picture was very offensive to me..If you don&...That picture was very offensive to me..If you don't want to offend anyone..then don't put anything offensive on the net!...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-11858230079511327762009-12-09T21:53:45.209-05:002009-12-09T21:53:45.209-05:00It seems a little disingenuous, by which I mean fu...It seems a little disingenuous, by which I mean fucking stupid, to post something you know will offend a segment of your readers and then complain when they express that *in their own blogs*, as Ragnell has expressed herself.<br /><br />I feel I may not have been clear earlier. Larry of Larry's Comics is an idiot to act all injured here, and Rich Johnston=epic fail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-22578177617041687172009-12-09T19:17:07.313-05:002009-12-09T19:17:07.313-05:00and here i thought this would go longer before god...and here i thought this would go longer before godwin's law went into effect.<br /><br />I wonder if the offended is going to try a DCMA takedown as well...it seemed to work so well for glenn beck...<br /><br />as for my $0.02, sex sells, it sucks sometimes but it does. if it pisses you off, well you rant/blog about it and let people know. if you dissagree with it being sexist, you tell that person you dont agree and give good reasons. just dont try and pass yourself off as not being sexist after adimiting you knew you were. if you knew it was offensive, but went ahead anyways, you kinda lose all rights to say your not being offensive. its like the chewbacca deffense, it just doesnt make sense. if you follow a line about moving product with a sentence like "thats all i give a rats ass about" dont be supprised if someone repeats it in an argument against you. its like a wookie...what does a wookie have to do with this, well nothing, it just doesnt make sense. just like being angry that someone used your own words against you.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18092926670200844987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-87388299283114808502009-12-09T18:20:55.208-05:002009-12-09T18:20:55.208-05:00my mom hates you too.my mom hates you too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-20929785242319684442009-12-09T18:15:25.581-05:002009-12-09T18:15:25.581-05:00John Bagman,
Wow. Seriously, wow. I bet your moth...John Bagman,<br /><br />Wow. Seriously, <i>wow</i>. I bet your mother is really proud of you.<br /><br />Well, I guess I'm supposed to invade Poland now or something.Maddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06719755856764289612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-46812524428625595582009-12-09T18:00:02.627-05:002009-12-09T18:00:02.627-05:00http://ihatefeminazis.blogspot.com/2009/12/vagina....http://ihatefeminazis.blogspot.com/2009/12/vagina.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-72054914006349420512009-12-09T11:29:04.583-05:002009-12-09T11:29:04.583-05:00why there aren't any women in his sad little s...why there aren't any women in his sad little shop.<br /><br />a man like Larry only cares about making money<br /><br />Hey Lisa,<br /><br />I am requesting for you to remove the above quotes.<br /><br />They are not accurate and are impacting my business in a negative way.<br /><br />Thanks in advance<br /><br />Larry Doherty<br />larryscomicsinc@aol.com<br />978-459-5323Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-16804025726838621552009-12-08T20:39:47.286-05:002009-12-08T20:39:47.286-05:00When he said "legal issues" i'm pret...When he said "legal issues" i'm pretty sure he's talking about the legal issues he could run into taking a picture like that in his shop.<br /><br />Seems like everyone here is dug into their positions and agreeing to disagree just isn't on the table.CBL1978http://www.cbl1978.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-72313059090651518742009-12-08T20:09:58.811-05:002009-12-08T20:09:58.811-05:00Larry honey, can the attempts at legal intimidatio...Larry honey, can the attempts at legal intimidation. I'm not impressed in the slightest.<br /><br />I would assume that a woman was involved in the taking of it since there was a woman IN the picture. It doesn't make it any less tacky, and it doesn't make your post on Johnston's forum (in response to an EXTREMELY gentle chiding about it) any less of a fuck you to fans who might be made uncomfortable by a shop that doesn't mind using the image to publicly represent the shop.<br /><br />So let me restate my original sentiment: Fuck you too.Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-40682606915028520542009-12-08T20:06:19.933-05:002009-12-08T20:06:19.933-05:00I believe the female customer in question was addr...I believe the female customer in question was addressed, Larry, as "the sort of women who capitulate to the whims of little boys."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-88780860583085164602009-12-08T19:53:07.178-05:002009-12-08T19:53:07.178-05:00Another dink with a blog,
Here's the thing. I...Another dink with a blog,<br /><br />Here's the thing. I did NOT create this image to promote Blackest Night. It was created by a customer !! gasp!! a female customer!! result of an in store contest that I ran to promote Blackest Night. Big Difference. I posed the question the day I recieved my sample ring package "how do YOU flex your emotional spectrum?"<br />Customers lined up to borrow the rings. Selling comics is selling entertainment. I'm always looking for ways to get customers involved and keep them entertained. I'mnot a high brow guy. My shop reflects my personality and I wouldn't have it any other way.<br /><br />http://larryscomics.net/images/plunger.gif<br /><br />Customers male, female young old got a kick out of it. Submissions ranged from mundane to exceptional.<br /><br />I chat up Rich a few times a month. Thought the pic was his speed.<br /><br />Laura Hudson an a couple of dinks with blogs jumped the gun, accusing me of creating the image to use "sex" as a tool to sell comics. That is not the case.<br /><br />Bloggers posting that "I" took this picture in my shop no less could result in legal issues . A simple email or phone call could have given anyone who gave a shit a better idea of what they reporting. lack of due dilegence speaks volumes.<br /><br /><br />Tell ya what. Next time I get the itch to do an in shop promotion for a comic series, I'll try it like this. When the books ship, I'll actually drag my fat ass off my chair, lumber over to my racks and plop the books on them. If a customer buys one, I'll say "Thank-You / God Bless You " as meekly and unoffending as possible.<br /><br />Lets see how that works out.<br /><br />Laura wants to brand me as the cash grabbing comic shop that alienates women and could care less about the medium.<br /><br />OK.<br />My 19 year track record speaks volumes.<br /><br /><br />Respectfully<br /><br />Larry Doherty<br />978-459-5323<br />larryscomicsinc@aol.com<br /><br />http://larryscomics.netAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-90894243786179449342009-12-08T08:16:20.043-05:002009-12-08T08:16:20.043-05:00Anon -- Lovely try. But I'm not softened by y...Anon -- Lovely try. But I'm not softened by you agreeing with my actual point after you've used so many arguments that piss me off. Framing with agreements is normally disarming tactic, though, and I'm sure it has served you well.<br /><br />Really, though, if you usually liked me and read what I wrote, you'd already know why I found the image offensive and not be the slightest bit surprised I peppered my reaction with colorful insults.<br /><br />Civility as an indicator of moral strength is often used to shut down rightfully angry people. See, for some reason we think it's shameful to be angry even when you have a good reason for it and for some reason it's easy to be polite when you're not the one offended by your gender worth's being classified yet again by fuckability. The idea that civility has anything to do with who has the right position in any argument is just plain stupid.<br /><br />I do want to let you know that the provincial American argument looks dumb against someone who lives in Europe herself, but I'll give you that it is a classic. Yeah, my nationality is American but I've been out of the country long enough to realize the 'Europeans are just more enlightened' tactic is utter bullshit meant to prey on deep-seated insecurities many of my countrymen hide with patriotic bluster. I know your leader brought it out, but he looked dumb when he did it too.<br /><br />And yes, we're all impressed you know the phrase "Ad hominem." Good for you, kiddo.Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-12058194016883451012009-12-08T01:35:44.082-05:002009-12-08T01:35:44.082-05:00So in summary
Ragnell: I find this image offensiv...So in summary<br /><br />Ragnell: I find this image offensive and I dislike Rich Johnston ergo I feel justified in a stream of ad hominem attacks (he is a rodent), insults and judgements made without context or taking in the whole picture (you admit to not reading his site).<br /><br />In contrast Rich, despite your characterisation of him, has not once stooped to insults and has come here mostly it seems to provide context and clarification.<br /><br />I usually like you Ragnell and I agree with much of what you write but this is embarassingly childish. I'm sorry but the moment you start calling the person you're arguing with a rodent to their face you forfeit the argument.<br /><br />At heart you have basically declared that you found this image offensive. Rich does not find this image offensive (nor do I for that matter but maybe that's a European thing). Without stating your reasons for finding this image offensive this debate is simply the constant stating of opinions. You're not going to educate anyone or change any viewpoints unless you calrify what it is that you find sexist in the image.<br /><br />As for Larry and his behaviour, well I'm in full agreement with you there. His comment and attitude are explicit, he doesn't care about the women he may have offended with this display.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-25885247663139176532009-12-07T23:16:10.715-05:002009-12-07T23:16:10.715-05:00Fair enough, Ben, I'm sorry I bit your head of...Fair enough, Ben, I'm sorry I bit your head off.<br /><br />I'm not sorry I have drawn the conclusions about Rich that I have. I've known people who, through the venue of online writing and in my professional, support and discover things that are important that I still know to be self-serving, irresponsible, and generally not people I want in my life despite any incidental good they've managed either through momentary flashes of conscience or as they further their own goals. People are made of good and bad, after all. My conclusions about Rich come from when I used to read his column back when it was on CBR, and I have observed many of these online spats between him and other personalities I read. Every bit of writing and interaction I've witnessed suggests to me that my conclusions are correct.Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-38619044607807365432009-12-07T23:03:12.930-05:002009-12-07T23:03:12.930-05:00I wasn't trying to get to your ego, I was just...I wasn't trying to get to your ego, I was just pointing out that Rich, for all his mud raking, actually does some good with his column (now a website), which you call a 'scumsheet', and was wondering if you'd done anything comparable.<br /><br />I wouldn't refer to him as my buddy in any literal sense, nor any online sense - I just enjoy reading his articles as it lets me know what's coming up, and has put me onto new books before - I know, I thought it was pretty scummy that he did that too.<br />Anyway, Rich linked here I read you piece, and thus responded with mine - it's less 'sticking up for my boys' and more just thinking you're not right with this one.<br /><br />As for your point that his reputation proceeds him, and so it's alright to slag him off without actually having read his columns, there sure seems to be a lot of interviews with comic pros of all stripes on that one page of the 'scumsheet' you linked to.<br /><br />You and Mark Waid have fun with the hating, but no one else seems to think that way (all the time)about Rich.<br /><br />-Ben.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-86151297400820360412009-12-07T22:17:29.820-05:002009-12-07T22:17:29.820-05:00die-yng -- Dude, I could run a drinking game of th...die-yng -- Dude, I could run a drinking game of the tired old reactions to women's rants in your comment. None of those thoughts are clever or originalg. Neither is your handle. Work on yourself a bit, then come back to spar.<br /><br />Benny baby, it takes some arrogance to assume that you can make me feel worthless by shining up Rich's pathetic history. Fortunately, I'm pretty secure in the importance of my dayjob. I am, however, deeply offended that you think you could cut down my ego this way. So much so that you nearly baited me into reciting a litany of your buddy's offenses, but I know that's what he's trying to get me to do so he can come back here and argue point by point by point and ignore the fact that his attitude and general behavior screams smarmy weasel and it's only his own reputation preceding him here.<br /><br />Anons -- God, you're uncreative. What I wouldn't give for a higher class of trolls, but I suppose this is what one expects of Johnston's defenders. Feel free to fight amongst yourself if you wish.<br /><br />Next idiot, please?Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-66455803851236816052009-12-07T22:00:11.369-05:002009-12-07T22:00:11.369-05:00You say he pwned, I say epic fail. Wasting pixels...You say he pwned, I say epic fail. Wasting pixels is fun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-25483147899414186092009-12-07T21:34:54.654-05:002009-12-07T21:34:54.654-05:00Rich Johnston pwned your face off.Rich Johnston pwned your face off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-216513983452112322009-12-07T18:46:25.647-05:002009-12-07T18:46:25.647-05:00- How many comic book companies taking advantage o...- How many comic book companies taking advantage of freelancers has this blog exposed?<br />How many people have you named and shamed until they paid freelancers what they owed?<br />How many fraudsters have you exposed to so small publishers don't fall for it?<br /><br />Because Rich has, and does, all of those.<br />You use your space to talk about how you don't like a photo, nor do you like the flippant defence given by the photos creator.<br />Larry may be a little sexist and adding to the problems of the world and all that... but as he said - he sold a shit load of comic books from his promotion, and as a business owner, that's where his concerns end.<br />Why didn't he go with people's suggestions of a penis being cupped by female hands as several have suggested?<br />Because it wouldn't have sold as many books.<br /><br />So you've attacked Larry for being a little behind the times in his staging of a succesful sale, you've attacked Rich without apparently ever having read his site (and refusing to do so now) - what big targets have you got your eyes set on next?<br /><br />-Ben LipmanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-20126678615177709782009-12-07T15:58:34.467-05:002009-12-07T15:58:34.467-05:00God, this is ridiculous. Were I a woman I'd be...God, this is ridiculous. Were I a woman I'd be offended by this idiocy.<br />Ragnell, what kind of a prude are you? And in which century are you living? In this days and times does any educated woman have to be so uptight about stupid titty pictures like this?<br />I can only think it has to do with american upbringing, which again and again produces people without a normal relationship to the human body.<br />Is this picture stupid? You could argue so.<br />Is it sexist? Maybe, but if it is then sadly the whole world is sexist and may never change.<br />Men like to look at boobies, that's just the way it is and this too, will never change, women like to see a male breast, at least most do.<br /><br />I could go on for sentence after sentence, about how childish and backwards I consider your attitude, but it makes no sense, as you are certainly not gonna change because of it.<br /><br />But what I find even more offensive is the way you and your loyal puppet Kalinara are insulting Rich Johnston without rhyme nor reason. You take one part of this guys work and not only to you use it to define him, but you rant and swear and attack like there's no tomorrow.<br /><br />If you as some kind of online comic journalist attack another online comic journalist this way, what does it say about your behavior, about any claim to credibility you might possess?<br /><br />Nothing good, that is for sure.<br /><br />I follow lots of comic related sites and message boards, this was one of the most bizarre and embarassing things I've seen.die-yngnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-70198119446661515362009-12-06T18:40:36.421-05:002009-12-06T18:40:36.421-05:00In the spirit of giving even the devil his or her ...In the spirit of giving even the devil his or her due, I'd like to point out to Ragnell and poster Ig that when Larry said "I know its insulting to women in some way, and the reason they are not flocking to comic shops", I'm reasonably certain he was referring to comic shops in general and not his shop in particular. Not saying that it isn't true for his shop, just that it appears Larry never asserted it was. (Kalinara in particular will appreciate what I'm saying, given her chosen field.)<br /><br />One of the things that amuses me is how he seems to attribute selling "shitloads of product" to his "brilliant" promo, as if he were promoting some little unknown indie comic. Larry, dude, you were promoting fucking BLACKEST NIGHT, currently the HOTTEST COMIC EVENT ON THE STANDS. OF COURSE you were going to sell shitloads of product. <br /><br />The question is how much more you COULD HAVE sold if you hadn't alienated a chunk of potential BLACKEST NIGHT fans. Think there are no female Green Lantern fans? The links on my Stars And Garters blog indicate otherwise.notinthefacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12537680561821564347noreply@blogger.com