tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post2384251481099078315..comments2024-01-02T09:18:23.893-05:00Comments on Written World: Accentuate the PositiveRagnellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-15261175772689154782011-10-24T18:16:52.776-04:002011-10-24T18:16:52.776-04:00Anon -- He was EFFECTIVELY rubbed out of existence...Anon -- He was EFFECTIVELY rubbed out of existence in the Perez reboot, replaced by a older man with the same name and a lot of similar personality traits who fell for the pliant, passive 80s Etta Candy rather than the superstrong demigoddess.<br /><br />So, same name, crashed on the island, lovely man and good friend of Diana's, but can't be the same character. (I think it's his Dad.)Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-663217876235373752011-10-22T16:02:47.947-04:002011-10-22T16:02:47.947-04:00I wasn't aware that Steve Trevor had been rubb...I wasn't aware that Steve Trevor had been rubbed out of existence. That needs to be reversed.<br /><br />He's no Lois Lane, who regularly scoops Clark despite his ability to see through walls and listen in on top secret briefings. In her domain Lois is queen, and Clark has to respect that. As far as I know, WW is superior to Steve Trevor in every way (strength, status, fame, wealth, intelligence, courage, generosity of spirit...), and yet they have a relationship based on equal respect. He's <i>fine</i> with being second banana. He knows she loves him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-16965110443783568872011-10-19T08:37:39.518-04:002011-10-19T08:37:39.518-04:00I think you underestimate fandom; to be sure there...I think you underestimate fandom; to be sure there are some unfortunate wings of fandom that want Wonder Woman to remain a perpetual virgin, but I suspect there are even more who could readily handle the notion of her having taken (very sturdy) lovers before.<br /><br />Handling her as a latter-day Greek heroine also helps in this: show me a character in Greek mythology and I'll show you a sexual history. In fact, it would be almost perverse of her NOT to have had a few lovers in her day if they're going the Greek heroine route.<br /><br />Another problem occurs to me if Wonder Woman is held to be an absolute incarnation of femininity ... nothing can be an absolute without also being complete and self-sufficient. So if she's an absolute incarnation of femininity, a man can provide nothing for her. This is why absolutes suck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-46213041296253667442011-10-17T01:43:30.737-04:002011-10-17T01:43:30.737-04:00It's weird; personally, my brain melts down at...It's weird; personally, my brain melts down at the thought of Wonder Woman being a virgin. One of the things that always struck me about Paradise Island was that it was far more enlightened than "Man's World", and one of the key elements of an enlightened culture is, to me, a freedom from our culture's hangups about sex (which come from a mix of Puritanism and Victorian culture, neither of which Diana's ever had to deal with.) To my mind, Wonder Woman has always been a very sexually liberated character, poly and kinky and bi and not just unashamed of it, but outright proud of it and willing to discuss the subject freely with anyone who asks.<br /><br />(Of course, "poly and bi" are not the same thing as "indiscriminate", something else she's willing to discuss freely with anyone who asks, and a lot of people who demand, too. :) )<br /><br />But then again, maybe it's just that I model Wonder Woman the same way Marston did: On my wife.John Seaveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07530526320973807452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-71337601002201656142011-10-16T14:46:11.445-04:002011-10-16T14:46:11.445-04:00If anyone can tackle this, it is Morrison. I'...If anyone can tackle this, it is Morrison. I'm looking forward to this enormously. AND to Ann Nocenti.SallyPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05592635194271250605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-71178026622276489262011-10-15T23:45:45.634-04:002011-10-15T23:45:45.634-04:00Michelle -- Does my enthusiasm for Marston make yo...<i>Michelle -- Does my enthusiasm for Marston make you nervous?</i><br /><br />Heh, no. It's the combination of Grant Morrison + Marston that worries me.<br /><br />But it sounds like I should check out the Wonder Woman Chronicles and give Golden Age WW another chance :)Michellehttp://maidofmight.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-61437643867252388902011-10-15T17:02:42.272-04:002011-10-15T17:02:42.272-04:00DC actually claims she's a virgin? I've n...DC actually claims she's a virgin? I've never thought of her as one (though I would not be surprised if Steve Trevor is). She and Steve probably never got that close; his head would've exploded. But I'd be very surprised if she didn't do some experimentation before leaving home.<br /><br />Morrison having said what he said about it, I trust him to do it well. I'm not sure I'll <em>like</em> it, but it will be well crafted.<br /><br />-- Jack of SpadesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-45473183480704159692011-10-15T08:31:14.563-04:002011-10-15T08:31:14.563-04:00but because writers are so fucking scared to addre...<i>but because writers are so fucking scared to address the sexuality of a truly liberated woman... </i><br /><br />To be fair - most of the guys who have written Wonder Woman over the years probably SHOULD be scared to address it. I doubt many of them would have been up to the challenge.<br /><br />Just imagine Denny O'Neil or John Byrne attempting to write those elements of her character.Jerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10060430253113856206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-64820453273292452042011-10-14T23:36:20.118-04:002011-10-14T23:36:20.118-04:00Michelle -- Does my enthusiasm for Marston make yo...Michelle -- Does my enthusiasm for Marston make you nervous?<br /><br />Because it was the best run, seriously. Go back and reread it, it's great. The bondage stuff is actually hilarious icing on a great adventure story cake. (Seriously, after a few issues you start laughing your ass off, it's like homoeroticism in He-man.)Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-79392566771977246002011-10-14T23:15:30.551-04:002011-10-14T23:15:30.551-04:00@Michelle: Marston's not *just* the fetishes, ...@Michelle: Marston's not *just* the fetishes, though. Wonder Woman is never passive in Marston's stories- all the bondage and confinement is explicitly temporary, and it always builds up to a moment where she starts kicking ass and taking names. <br /><br />Marston's Wonder Woman has very firm ideas about what's right, and rarely agonizes over it. Her entire character is about putting "the Amazon way"- Marston's admittedly quirky and odd version of feminism- into practice.<br /><br />Basically, Golden Age Wonder Woman is awesome.Jessehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04958320903041642038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-85739104449711764862011-10-14T23:04:00.733-04:002011-10-14T23:04:00.733-04:00Huh, I hadn't thought about it in that way - M...Huh, I hadn't thought about it in that way - Morrison's enthusiasm for Marston, with all is weirdass fetishes, makes me nervous. <br /><br />I simply can't imagine that Diana hasn't had sex, ever, whether it's on the island or since then. It's way past time that made it into the books. Just...handled well. I wish Gail Simone were still writing.<br /><br />DC really insists WW's a virgin at cons? Wow O_oMichellehttp://maidofmight.netnoreply@blogger.com