tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post115002342956945864..comments2024-01-02T09:18:23.893-05:00Comments on Written World: I'm Not Cleaning That OutRagnellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-87256166192719844882008-01-18T23:01:00.000-05:002008-01-18T23:01:00.000-05:00AhI'd like to thank you for this really interestin...Ah<BR/><BR/>I'd like to thank you for this really interesting analysis... and well, the though provocation. It brings far more into life the issues I've started researching the past year because, well, I got tired of the stereotype. It makes me realize how much more serious and still alive this is, even though I'm living it as a 16 year old high school girl.<BR/><BR/>What strikes me most is how easy it is for the whole thing to runaway from the original intent, and how influenced by culture we are.<BR/><BR/>Its a sobering experience. Even if I didn't actually read the particular comics, or the series leading up to it.<BR/><BR/>But hey, this is really influencing- it reached a teenager miles away after she moved to south america. If that doesn't say how influencing and far spreading this is, I don't really know what does.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1159055864398391872006-09-23T19:57:00.000-04:002006-09-23T19:57:00.000-04:00My university, during Freshman Orientation, requir...My university, during Freshman Orientation, requires all incoming students to see a production entitled "In Our Own Words," in which issues that commonly affect women (stalking, "domestic" violence, sexual abuse/harassment, rape) are addressed. One of the most shocking things about the show--to the men, at least--is the portion where people with a green dot on their arm rest (every third one) are instructed to stand up. The lead presenter informs the audience that, in a representative sample of women, those are the percentages of women who will be raped. <BR/>One in three.<BR/><BR/>And yeah, with the missing shelves, it becomes gruesomely logical to assume that Alex was cut up.Songstarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820731121315819131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1150518198361516172006-06-17T00:23:00.000-04:002006-06-17T00:23:00.000-04:00Dan -- Ouch.Dan -- Ouch.Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1150380328573559052006-06-15T10:05:00.000-04:002006-06-15T10:05:00.000-04:00Ragnell: Maybe Alex was a contortionist before she...Ragnell: Maybe Alex was a contortionist before she met Kyle?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1150369848445321182006-06-15T07:10:00.000-04:002006-06-15T07:10:00.000-04:00Dan -- Once again, I refuse to apologize for likin...Dan -- Once again, I refuse to apologize for liking Ron Marz so you can take all the cheap shots you want. You won't shame me into dropping his stuff.<BR/><BR/>And I have to admit, I thought she was cut up. It's the missing trays. How did he fit her in there with the trays?<BR/><BR/>And so, apparently, did some of ther other DC writers, because Hal mentions it in a book this week and says he heard Alex was cut up. (Not that Kyle would've gone into that much detail...)<BR/><BR/>Mari -- Good point. It did work a little too smoothly, especially for a guy based on Peter Parker.Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1150337617153749202006-06-14T22:13:00.000-04:002006-06-14T22:13:00.000-04:00I just reread #54 along with the issues that lead ...I just reread #54 along with the issues that lead up to it, which I hadn't done before. It's hard to say, knowing what happens, whether Alex comes across as doomed from the moment she appears, but there is something eerily perfect about the way the relationship is written. There is no possible direction for it to go in except down.Marionettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985975073151200366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1150207543327590352006-06-13T10:05:00.000-04:002006-06-13T10:05:00.000-04:00S'funny, I never thought she was cut up. I've neve...S'funny, I never thought she was cut up. <BR/><BR/>I've never gotten a misogyinistic vibe off Marz, unlike Waid, Meltzer, Willingham, O'Neil, et. al. That would take imagination and passion, neither of which Marz has ever had.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1150151164576132662006-06-12T18:26:00.000-04:002006-06-12T18:26:00.000-04:00Marionette and Matthew -- I think that's where the...Marionette and Matthew -- I think that's where the cut up idea came from. My first thought on reading Marz's comment about the censorship was about the shelves in the fridge and where they went.<BR/><BR/>Anon -- Ack!<BR/><BR/>Ferrous -- Suppose I amended it to "says to feminists"?<BR/><BR/>I must have mis-stated myself, I was attempting to make room for the nuances without invalidating the reader's natural inferences. I wanted to show what was so captivating about the refrigerator scene, and why the writer's intent does not change what the scene represents.<BR/><BR/>My point there was two things -- 1) This scene spoke to readers for a <I>reason</I> and I outlined it above, and 2) that despite the author's intent, the story is still valid for analysis because it can be added to a list of like examples to show a social trend.<BR/><BR/>I'm not trying to say that it occurs in a vacuum at all. In fact, I'm arguing the opposite, that because it does not occur in a vacuum and is surrounded by similar occurances, and happens to be the absolute perfect symbolic example of the complaint means its open season on the work despite all of the author's explanations to the contrary.<BR/><BR/>I'm also trying to do it without accusing the author of misogyny on a personal level, because just because he used a dramatic convention that is sickeningly indicative of a particular trend doesn't mean everything he writes is trash. I don't think a writer should be condemned unless their whole body of work shows a pattern towards the particular trend (I think I've ranted enough on this site about two particular writers who fall under that category), but I do think a single body of work is open to the criticism because of misogynystic overtones -- especially when it's loaded with symbolism as this one is.Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1150136397190354662006-06-12T14:19:00.000-04:002006-06-12T14:19:00.000-04:00"Yes, I know that's not what he meant, but that's ..."Yes, I know that's not what he meant, but that's still what it says."<BR/><BR/>No, that's what you <I>heard</I> - there's a difference. All communication is a two-part process: encoding and decoding. The speaker encodes his or her intended message, the listener decodes that message after receiving it. Ideally, the message the speaker intended to encode and the message the listener decoded are identical; in the real world, they rarely are.<BR/><BR/>Communications never occur in a vacuum: we all bring our own cultural norms, biases, life experiences, etc. to the table, which color the process. Miscommunications - in the sense that the listener decodes a different message than what the speaker intended - abound.<BR/><BR/>Or to put it more simply: the speaker implies, the listener infers; you're inferring meanings which the speaker (probably) didn't intend. Hardly invalidates your opinion, of course; just means one needs to bring nuance to one's opinion, IMHO.Ferrous Bullerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09707719932073719083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1150051774373315952006-06-11T14:49:00.000-04:002006-06-11T14:49:00.000-04:00Have you seen the latest issue of "Walking Dead"? ...Have you seen the latest issue of "Walking Dead"? One of the women characters is captured, chained arms and legs, legs spread, about to be raped by her captor (who promises to rape her for days unending). Now add onto that the woman is African-American and we have the epitome of sexual and racial oppression (or utter cluelessness).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1150049361653551512006-06-11T14:09:00.000-04:002006-06-11T14:09:00.000-04:00He probably ate it. This is Major Force we're talk...He probably ate it. This is Major Force we're talking about; he's a big guy. He probably also ate the containers and extra shelves.Matthew Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01007497367844755093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1150030362770899272006-06-11T08:52:00.000-04:002006-06-11T08:52:00.000-04:00First thought was that you really nailed this.Seco...First thought was that you really nailed this.<BR/><BR/>Second thought was where did Major Damage put all the stuff he took out of the refrigerator to make room for Alex? It's clearly not in the kitchen.Marionettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985975073151200366noreply@blogger.com