tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post114958068862200205..comments2024-01-02T09:18:23.893-05:00Comments on Written World: The Depressing List: Side A IntroductionRagnellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-76903016700174317982011-04-20T18:45:09.675-04:002011-04-20T18:45:09.675-04:00You forgot about Andy Martinez/Comet 2 back in iss...You forgot about Andy Martinez/Comet 2 back in issue #39 from 1996. It's there where we find out that she was verbally and physically abused(by her father, I believe-If I'm not mistaken...)when she comes out to her parents. -ealperinealperinhttp://ealperin.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-15914763211756609622011-04-20T18:40:46.767-04:002011-04-20T18:40:46.767-04:00You forgot Andy Martinez, she was physically and v...You forgot Andy Martinez, she was physically and verbally abused (back in issue #39 I believe.) [It's where Andy's talking about her past and how she came to accept that she was a homoexual.] -ealperinealperinhttp://ealperin.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1165643044226784292006-12-09T00:44:00.000-05:002006-12-09T00:44:00.000-05:00II. A and C: Hawkwoman (Shayera Thal). Was robbed ...II. A and C: Hawkwoman (Shayera Thal). Was robbed of autonomy by Count Viper (In Hawkman V.II #1-6), who removed her conscious mind or soul or something metaphysical like that from her body and occupied her body himself for several months. In later confrontations with her (same series, issue #17 being the most notable) he makes insinuations and threats that have creepy sexual overtones. Bleh.<BR/><BR/>And as for the other Hawk women -<BR/><BR/>Id - Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders) accidentally shot a police officer who assaulted her mother and threatened to rape both her mother and herself. She was, I think, about twelve at the time. (This is covered in Hawkman V.3 #13-15).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1151322716471729462006-06-26T07:51:00.000-04:002006-06-26T07:51:00.000-04:00Kitty -- I hate to limit creativity, but I started...Kitty -- I hate to limit creativity, but I started this anyway (as I love to call out hackery) -- mainly so there'd be documentation for next time someone thinks this is an original idea in and of itself, but partially to see if I may be overreacting a bit. I've noticed it tends to be treated differently between male and female characters, and it's overwhelming in its usage with female characters. Also that it's portrayed graphicly with female characters, but only very subtly with male characters -- as if a female rape is somehow more "Acceptable" to the censors. This really cheeses me off, actually.<BR/><BR/>The way I've observed sexual assault in comics has gotten to the point that an exceptionally well-written story that involves it as a plot element is still unenjoyable to me, simply from oversaturation of the plot element.<BR/><BR/>See, yes, male characters are put through the ringer, but with sexual assault it's a step farther that only female characters seem to suffer through. It takes a damned gutsy and/or subtle writer to do it to a male character, and even then it's somehow uneven.<BR/><BR/>For using it on your own stories -- If it works for you, and you respect the topic, don't let my list stop you. Don't even let ending up on the list stop you.<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't call it inherently misogynistic to use sexual assault, but the way its handled could be interpreted as misogynistic.<BR/><BR/>In short, it depends on how the characters are treated.Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1150299935512432442006-06-14T11:45:00.000-04:002006-06-14T11:45:00.000-04:00Aahhh... did a bunch of posts get erased?Aahhh... did a bunch of posts get erased?Batiduendehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00752011198757678247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1150042748332653962006-06-11T12:19:00.000-04:002006-06-11T12:19:00.000-04:00Tomorrow Stories #1: Cobweb is turned into an "ana...<I>Tomorrow Stories #1</I>: Cobweb is turned into an "anatomically correct" doll by a villain and strongly implied to be in dager of sexual assault. She gets out of the situation herself, though.<BR/><BR/><I>Shining Knight #3</I>: The new Sir Justin is revealed to be a woman and threatened with rape by the corrupted Galahad, whereuon she kills him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149808754325751322006-06-08T19:19:00.000-04:002006-06-08T19:19:00.000-04:00bat -- Thanks, I'll need to hit the back issue sto...bat -- Thanks, I'll need to hit the back issue stores this weekend.<BR/><BR/>Carrie -- I missed that one. Still, pretty damned close.<BR/><BR/>catrina -- I've gotten a Catwoman email and found an LJ entry that covered her origin, but no one's mentioned that one yet.<BR/><BR/>I'd probably consider Dawnstar's wings forced transformation.<BR/><BR/>Thanks!<BR/>Keep going, everyone, I'm still compiling!Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149805951011743442006-06-08T18:32:00.000-04:002006-06-08T18:32:00.000-04:00If nobody's mentioned Catwoman yet, IC retconned t...If nobody's mentioned Catwoman yet, IC retconned that Zatanna mind-whammied her into a good guy, that would fit into the last one. Dawnstar of a few LSH reboots ago had her wings cut off (would you consider that forced transformation?) and possessed by another personality for years. I can't remember if there were any hints about Bounty having sex during it, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149728216199175732006-06-07T20:56:00.000-04:002006-06-07T20:56:00.000-04:00Here's what happened to Jessica Jones:Alias #25:"P...Here's what happened to Jessica Jones:<BR/><BR/>Alias #25:<BR/>"Purple Haze"<BR/><BR/>Luke: Guy has the power to make you do anything he wants... has you under foot for 8 months...and he never touched you?<BR/>[...]<BR/>Jessica: He didn't[...] he fucking made me stand there and watch him fuck other girls. Telling me to wish it was me. Telling me to cry while I watched.<BR/>[...]<BR/>Jessica: But then there weren't any girls around on a rainy night with nothing to do... he would make me beg him for it. [...] I would beg him to fuck me... I would beg him 'til I cried. You hear me? You get where this is going? Eight months! I lay at his feet. I slept on his floor. I bathed him.[...] He would run his fingers through my hair and he would tell me...That he was doing this to me for every time Daredevil beat the shit out of him... That this was for every time Spider-man did whatever to him... He was going to make me beg him for it.<BR/><BR/>---<BR/>Also, the first thing he does is tell her to take off her clothes (though we never see it as he tells her to do something else first) and later, she's wearing an open button-down shirt with nothing under it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149688076087649482006-06-07T09:47:00.000-04:002006-06-07T09:47:00.000-04:00> I know Jane, Sally Sonic, but > don't have the r...> I know Jane, Sally Sonic, but <BR/>> don't have the references for <BR/>> Spoiler or Secret.<BR/><BR/>Secret mentions it in the issue the whole team goes camping. Issue 7 I think. Wondergirl asks her if she has ever been kissed, and she mentions a time when she was in her cell back in the DEO that a guy who worked there got into her cell and tried to make out with her but her powers scared him away before he did anything.<BR/><BR/>The Spoiler one is going to be hard to pinpoint. It happened during the very short Jon Lewis run in the Robin book. Looking at the covers, I think it might have been Robin #111. A quick google for reviews of issue 111 say that's the one. <A HREF="http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/104688712775699.htm" REL="nofollow">Here is a review of that issue.</A>Batiduendehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00752011198757678247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149670731572888202006-06-07T04:58:00.000-04:002006-06-07T04:58:00.000-04:00Hunter -- I'd never thought about that one, actual...Hunter -- I'd never thought about that one, actually.<BR/><BR/>Niles -- Ack!<BR/><BR/>Xocolotl -- Nah, I changed my mind. Prominent characters, since Kali's counting all the Vertigo stuff over with the guys. So, supporting characters if they're a big enough presence.<BR/><BR/>Anon #1 -- Got an issue number for this stuff?<BR/><BR/>Papervolcano -- Thanks, I knew the origin of prostitution but I stopped reading after Meltzer left. And as <I>The Longbow Hunters</I> is easy to find, the issue number should be easy to get too.<BR/><BR/>Batiduende -- I know Jane, Sally Sonic, but don't have the references for Spoiler or Secret.<BR/><BR/>Keeper -- I remember Arisia having to lick the floor of the room. I'll have to retread those issues. And I think Kali has the Excalibur ones.<BR/><BR/>And.. slave.. hound.. Sheesh.<BR/><BR/>Matthew -- Thanks, I appreciate it.<BR/><BR/>jamawalk -- *Pats you on the head*<BR/><BR/>Derry and Carrie -- Roy too?!! I've got loads of Winick misogyny complaints, but man, that's screwing with the O'Neill run. I don't take kindly to writers who rewrite Green Lantern/Green Arrow. *Fumes*<BR/><BR/>Batiduende -- Ick.<BR/><BR/>Kristin, Gunbunny, and Batiduende -- Actually, i think it was established he did rape her. Because I rememebr reading her reaction to that idiot she was dating suggesting she was raped, and being relieved that the secret was going to be more creative... And then getting pissed off when I read it and found out she was anyway.<BR/><BR/>Sandicomm -- Emailed it to you.<BR/><BR/>Anon#2 -- Ack! The Conan stuff was Marvel, wasn't it? Oh man, that's a can of worms...<BR/><BR/>Batiduende -- I think I saw the rant about that YA one on Precocious Curmudgeon.<BR/><BR/>Flidget -- ACk! I'd forgotten that one! Oh, why, oh why couldn't they gone with it being Hal's baby? Just because he was suddenly evil? That would've been drama!!<BR/><BR/>Marionette -- We've stopped trying to do that, because I'm so damned tired of being surprised and having to scratch people <I>off</I> the list. Better to go with the known element here.<BR/><BR/>Tragic -- Ack! Barda?! Dammit, Byrne! (And man, that puts all 3 of DC's Holy Trinity on the list, though with WW and Bats it was only attempted)<BR/><BR/>Anon #3 -- No, but that doesn't look promising. I meant Vol 3 GL #109 where Jade got her backstory retconned. First time I'd seen it happen and actually realized what went on.<BR/><BR/>Scott Eric Kaufmann -- This goes well beyond Claremont. I suspect just about every writer who's ever worked in comics will have at least one example on the list. The results should be interesting.<BR/> I appreciate the eye out for good subjects. I run a linkblog about women in comics, and always welcome new posts to link!<BR/>And don't worry about sounding like you're talking from up on high. You sounded fine to me, except that you seemed to not have been reading the current stuff.<BR/><BR/>Scott -- I wonder if we should put in a qualifier in for incest. I forgot Calliope, that was a horrific story.<BR/><BR/>Chris Sims -- That's what you get for trying to keep secrets from me.<BR/><BR/>Andrew -- Wow, you have no idea how much I appreciate the specifics, especially as I haven't read Marvek in a long time.<BR/><BR/>Mallet -- Ack.<BR/><BR/>Thanks so much everybody, keep it coming, though!Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149656286827881512006-06-07T00:58:00.000-04:002006-06-07T00:58:00.000-04:00"Back in the John Byrne Superman days, when Action..."Back in the John Byrne Superman days, when Action was the "team-up" book, there was a two-parter with Barda and Mr. Miracle, respectively. The villian of this story was Sleeze, an Apokoliptian New God who was so, well... sleezy that Darkseid banished him.<BR/><BR/>One his major deals was "bringing out the worst in others". He took control of Superman and Barda and subsequently set them up to film a porno. If I remember correctly, the sex act was on panel, with strategically place monitors of the pair naked. It was confirmed at the end of the story when Superman and Barda agreed that what took place was not of their own volition.<BR/><BR/>This one I pushed to the back of my mind for several years now...."<BR/><BR/>I know this won't further any thing on the list but I have to add something to this.<BR/><BR/>It reinforces my theory that Bryne is Dr. Doom. <BR/><BR/>Because thats <I>EXACTLY</I> the type of thing he'd do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149650315908189562006-06-06T23:18:00.000-04:002006-06-06T23:18:00.000-04:00Oops. I forgot that Calliope was imprisoned and r...Oops. I forgot that Calliope was imprisoned and raped in the <B>Sandman</B> story of the same name.<BR/><BR/>In the <B>Sandman Mystery Theatre</B> storyline "The Vamp" there was a lesbian rape, assault, and blood letting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149650053729230822006-06-06T23:14:00.000-04:002006-06-06T23:14:00.000-04:00Aw, you spoiled Swamp Thing for her. Now she's ne...Aw, you spoiled <I>Swamp Thing</I> for her. Now she's <B>never</B> going to read it.Chris Simshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08320487883818314339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149649833042746872006-06-06T23:10:00.000-04:002006-06-06T23:10:00.000-04:00In the Atlantis Chronicles, Cora is raped by her c...In the <B>Atlantis Chronicles</B>, Cora is raped by her cousin. Later in the same series, Atlanna is seduced by her many-times-removed ancestor Atlan.<BR/><BR/>The <B>New Teen Titans</B> storyline "The Judas Contract" suggests there were some shenanigans going on between Deathstroke and Terra. Speaking of underage Titans, Mirage was seduced by the future Nightwing (Deathwing) during Team Titans, and as I recall the sex was not exactky consensual. So mark that one up as assault, under age, and under false pretenses.<BR/><BR/>In the "Universo Project" storyline during the <B>Legion of Super-Heroes</B> (1984 series), most of the Legionnaires are mind controlled and it is (strongly) suggested that Atmos and Dream Girl consummated their relationship while under the influence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149647943999884412006-06-06T22:39:00.000-04:002006-06-06T22:39:00.000-04:00Hi is it this GL 109 that bothers you?http://www.c...Hi is it this GL 109 that bothers you?<BR/>http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=32657&zoom=4Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149646964239265912006-06-06T22:22:00.000-04:002006-06-06T22:22:00.000-04:00Ragnell,I'm completely with you on "Rogue, TOO". ...Ragnell,<BR/><BR/>I'm completely with you on "Rogue, TOO". Here's another one that is overwhelmingly appalling to my sesnes:<BR/><BR/>Big Barda.<BR/><BR/>Back in the John Byrne Superman days, when Action was the "team-up" book, there was a two-parter with Barda and Mr. Miracle, respectively. The villian of this story was Sleeze, an Apokoliptian New God who was so, well... sleezy that Darkseid banished him.<BR/><BR/>One his major deals was "bringing out the worst in others". He took control of Superman and Barda and subsequently set them up to film a porno. If I remember correctly, the sex act was on panel, with strategically place monitors of the pair naked. It was confirmed at the end of the story when Superman and Barda agreed that what took place was not of their own volition.<BR/><BR/>This one I pushed to the back of my mind for several years now....Tragic Fanboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13708469796179522000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149646790547107012006-06-06T22:19:00.000-04:002006-06-06T22:19:00.000-04:00This is so depressing. Wouldn't it just be simple...This is so depressing. Wouldn't it just be simpler to list the women in comics that haven't been abused?<BR/><BR/>It would be a shorter list, too.Marionettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985975073151200366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149646108736920052006-06-06T22:08:00.000-04:002006-06-06T22:08:00.000-04:00I'd count Donna for IIC. Amazing catch, there.Wha...I'd count Donna for IIC. Amazing catch, there.<BR/><BR/>What else do we have?Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149645957366224542006-06-06T22:05:00.000-04:002006-06-06T22:05:00.000-04:00Scott -- I see the problem here. You're still arg...Scott -- I see the problem here. You're still arguing in favor of a single story. Context is there because the writer put it there. And the story, in the comic book universe of blanket continuity, does not exist on its own. It's added to many, many others and it follows the character through many different writers of varying skill and sensitivty. My problem is mainly that the quantity of examples has overcome the potential quality of the plot. Maybe it was better explained in my <A HREF="http://ragnell.blogspot.com/2006/01/feel-like-vomiting.html" REL="nofollow">earlier</A> <A HREF="http://ragnell.blogspot.com/2006/05/dont-step-in-meta-text.html" REL="nofollow">posts</A> on the subject.<BR/><BR/>But it might be better if we waited a few months on the completed list to go on with this particular debate. Concerns such as yours are part of why I want this made, as a way to show how out of hand this has gotten. Mostly, when I see news as to it anymore it puts me in rant mode, and I thought it would help to have something concrete to back it.<BR/><BR/>Again, sorry to link you, but when I rant I usually show what set me off so someone can see my whole point.<BR/><BR/>I'll have a list of pertinant links for you, once I get home tonight, that should address most concerns you've brought up but in the meantime I suggest you go through the archives of <A HREF="http://womenincomics.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">When Fangirls Attack</A> for posts on this topic. Try the last couple weeks of January and the first couple weeks of February, as that's when Black Cat's light, funny backstory had a rape retconned into it that was retroactively made her motivation for every move she'd made until that point.<BR/><BR/>Quite a lot of people had thoughts on that move.<BR/><BR/>Which reminds me to add her to the list.Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149639189494958782006-06-06T20:13:00.000-04:002006-06-06T20:13:00.000-04:00I fully expect that the next time Winick wants a l...I fully expect that the next time Winick wants a little more angst in GA, it'll be revealed that Mia watched her mother kill herself or something. I mean, there's not much *left*.<BR/><BR/>While I'm commenting, would Donna Troy qualify for II.C with all the Dark Angel stuff? She was cursed to live through multiple lives of incredible suffering, and when she was at her lowest, her life would be restarted for yet more suffering, only aware of the curse when her life was being rebooted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149638014639304742006-06-06T19:53:00.000-04:002006-06-06T19:53:00.000-04:00Jesus, was it really necessary to make Mia suffer ...Jesus, was it really necessary to make Mia suffer even more than already implied? <BR/><BR/>Anyway. I expect this is now, thankfully, out of continuity but back when Power Girl had that stopgap Atlantean heritage her 'grandfather', Arion, foresaw Zero Hour happening and experimented on her to create a champion. She wasn't the champion - that would be her son, Equinox, which her grandfather implanted within her via magic while she was still a child. She'd give birth to him during the Zero Hour storyarc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149633300828990462006-06-06T18:35:00.000-04:002006-06-06T18:35:00.000-04:00Emma Frost's old backstory (not sure whether it wa...Emma Frost's old backstory (not sure whether it was flashbacks or just her telling it) included getting raped at the mental institution she was at for much of her teens, though this has been dismissed as her invention to make people feel sorry for her in the current series.<BR/><BR/>Rachel Summers spent most of her childhood/early teens being mentally and physically warped and tortured as a Hound. On-panel, part flashbacks, part first issues you see her, with added mental warpings on panel, including Excalibur.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149632414322104382006-06-06T18:20:00.000-04:002006-06-06T18:20:00.000-04:00Also, The Girl with no superhero name from Young A...Also, The Girl with no superhero name from Young Avengers, who got raped in a flashback sorta off panel in the Young Avengers annual.Batiduendehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00752011198757678247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1149632350499012702006-06-06T18:19:00.000-04:002006-06-06T18:19:00.000-04:00About Jessica Jones, I am almost sure it is mentio...About Jessica Jones, I am almost sure it is mentioned that Purple Man kept her around as a slave, but never raped her. He did make her watch while he was raping other people, though.Batiduendehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00752011198757678247noreply@blogger.com