tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post538546939246972821..comments2024-01-02T09:18:23.893-05:00Comments on Written World: This one'll be quick because I'm short on time.Ragnellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-17737176136896543582007-10-16T22:31:00.000-04:002007-10-16T22:31:00.000-04:00TIREDOFTHEWHINING!!!I doubt you do either.Refrain ...TIREDOFTHEWHINING!!!<BR/><BR/>I doubt you do either.<BR/><BR/>Refrain from psychoanalyzing the other commenters in my thread.Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-21387073877149023462007-10-15T02:15:00.000-04:002007-10-15T02:15:00.000-04:00WILLOW!!!!You've got some serious issues...I doubt...WILLOW!!!!<BR/><BR/>You've got some serious issues...I doubt you actually understand where they stem from.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-60477614266544852682007-10-11T22:05:00.000-04:002007-10-11T22:05:00.000-04:00I frequently see the "mad" in his comments but dam...I frequently see the "mad" in his comments but damned if I ever see the "man" or the "rational." They're also nearly impossible to parse or read- his blog's just as incomprehensible- because his spelling and grammar are so terrible.<BR/><BR/>I hate to be one of <I>those</I> guys, but it really does make a difference when it's that bad.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I see your point and agree. I'm with Roger to an extent too in that I can multi-task.<BR/><BR/>But to me- and I think in this I'm like you- the big thing is a hero comic cover should denote some form of heroism, be it heroism revealed, heroism denied, heroism in peril. The implications of the Superman image, despite superficial similarities to the Storm image, are clear- there are visual cues in a male image that aren't generally there in a female image.<BR/><BR/>Some of this, maybe most of this, is our programming. But another aspect of this is the artist's intent. Objectively speaking, it's obvious that female supers are drawn to be provocative in a way male ones never are. That's why there's such a dissonance whenever someone remixes these covers and substitutes a male character for a female one and uses the exact same visual cues.<BR/><BR/>Is it a miscommunication between the artist and the reader? I don't think so because the artist frequently IS selling the sexual aspect of the situation. Is it a form of "bait and switch?" Yes, quite often.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723952510039418615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-19589879914885294712007-10-11T21:59:00.000-04:002007-10-11T21:59:00.000-04:00Hey guys, fat people are incapable of being right,...Hey guys, fat people are incapable of being right, ever, so we should just ignore them. THIS IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT, FOR REALS YO.Susan Knowleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04610431165004273803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-56615675169976426332007-10-11T20:26:00.000-04:002007-10-11T20:26:00.000-04:00RMM -- Keep your trolling to your own fucking blog...RMM -- Keep your trolling to your own fucking blog. If you want to talk here, you can be respectful.<BR/><BR/>I'm leaving that comment up so everyone can see what an ass you are and that you can't spell, but if you keep that shitty attitude up I'm deleting any other comment you post and you can just whine about me being unfair on your own blog if you want.<BR/><BR/>Now, if you like to repeat your point without the personal attacks and with something that at least approaches an attempt at proper spelling and grammar, do so. If not, piss off.Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-57841812448677511862007-10-11T09:25:00.000-04:002007-10-11T09:25:00.000-04:00Riiiiiiiiiight. SO if stratecially placed skin is ...Riiiiiiiiiight. <BR/><BR/>SO if stratecially placed skin is exposed weno longer worry about the character. <BR/><BR/>Uhhuh. Got a bridge in brooklyn to sell us too there ragnell the large?<BR/>As Roger maybe thats the way it works for you, but I suspect that has a lot more to do wihtt he fact that you and your ilk are specifically looking for any image that can be considered sexualised so that you can woman about it on your blogs and inflict your suicide motivating rants on people you know. <BR/>The fact Is all of thsose scenes evoked the same exact reaction from me, and expect from most others. "WHy is He/she on the ground? WHat happened?"<BR/><BR/>But then what do I know Im just the veiwer obviously we need an angry fat chick to tell us what we're really seeing.Rational Mad Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07835818807164881354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-7733075086624501752007-10-08T16:35:00.000-04:002007-10-08T16:35:00.000-04:00Roger,You multitask, much of the world does. Succe...Roger,<BR/><BR/>You multitask, much of the world does. Successful multitasking even with worry is a part of successful every day life. Still are you denying the impact of society in how you worry?<BR/><BR/>In the case of Storm's cover, my first reaction was an <STRONG>inner recoil</STRONG> and the hearty desire <STRONG>not</STRONG> to know what was going on and how she was being paradaded for the male (majority comic readers) gaze. Now it's possible that being a woman and constantly having society tell me how to act, dress, eat, what to eat, how much I should weight, where to walk, what's dangerous for me, what's not so dangerous for me, who to date and why, which parent to honor more and where my place is - that I may be more sensitive to subtle shadings in society's speech regarding women. <BR/><BR/>But your response makes me wonder if I've not just been recieving extra tutoring from society as if I were nothing more than large child with breasts, but have instead been brought up learning a whole different language. A language that men are not required to know, not even artists.<BR/><BR/>Yes it says a lot about the reader if they immediately think the pose is sexualized - it says they live in this society and have huge experience in what sexualized images look like.<BR/><BR/>I don't particularly like the campaign and how it's meant to manipulate women (mostly white) albiet in a new and supposedly 'feel empowered' way. But <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei6JvK0W60I" REL="nofollow">Onslaught</A> has a point.Willowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10136336922710857813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-41593497288737131222007-10-08T15:42:00.000-04:002007-10-08T15:42:00.000-04:00roger,That sounds awfully insulting insulting to a...roger,<BR/><BR/>That sounds awfully insulting insulting to artists, writers, etc. imo. For your argument to be an adequate rebuttal to Ragnell's, craft would have to have very little significance on the impact of stories.Micklehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634363950848962653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-9840591376782938832007-10-08T14:13:00.000-04:002007-10-08T14:13:00.000-04:00"If the viewer's eye is first draw to a titallatin..."If the viewer's eye is first draw to a titallating image of a character's butt and thigh, you've lost the chance to make them worried about anything other sex."<BR/><BR/>Maybe it's just me, but I'm fully capable of simultaneously worrying about sex, the bills, global calamity, my dog's upset stomach, and superheroic ass-kicking. One fragmented input does not short out my emotional responses across the board.<BR/><BR/>Which isn't to say that you're wrong about the impact of such an image... maybe that's how it works with the average reader. But if so, that says more about such a reader than it does about the artist and his goals.Rogerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05124842676463037949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-53560091583808456412007-10-08T13:41:00.000-04:002007-10-08T13:41:00.000-04:00"A piece of superhero art is supposed to evoke a s..."A piece of superhero art is supposed to evoke a sense of heroism, even when the character is flat on their face."<BR/><BR/>This is so what I was trying to get at when I skimmed through Marvel's covers way back when and kept thinking "why are all the women scared!?!"<BR/><BR/>But this is a much more nuanced argument, and yet still a clearer argument, and therefore vastly superior argument.<BR/><BR/>(Still though, why do they always look so scared?)Micklehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634363950848962653noreply@blogger.com