tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post115968835512242768..comments2024-01-02T09:18:23.893-05:00Comments on Written World: It's especially not funny when an outsider says it.Ragnellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1159843517085638382006-10-02T22:45:00.000-04:002006-10-02T22:45:00.000-04:00I think being a comic book geek actually *helps* m...I think being a comic book geek actually *helps* me get laid, because The Boy thinks it's cute or something.<BR/><BR/>Honestly, and seriously, Ragnell; your blog is some of the hardest hitting, most thought out criticism I've seen given to comics, let alone feminist criticism, but the entire way through its underlined with your love for the medium and your respect for it and its potential. Don't let them bring you down, even if they can't apparently see you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1159839115284915622006-10-02T21:31:00.000-04:002006-10-02T21:31:00.000-04:00Boy, it must suck to take it at both ends: from th...Boy, it must suck to take it at both ends: from the feminists <B>and</B> the comics community. :-(<BR/><BR/>[I'm sure when I'm more awake, I'll realize there's some wrong with that sentence...]Ferrous Bullerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09707719932073719083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1159826473298242562006-10-02T18:01:00.000-04:002006-10-02T18:01:00.000-04:00I just put my site though it, and found that "Bob ...I just put my site though it, and found that "Bob Dylan's performance of his song 'Isis'" becomes "Bobbie Dorothy's performance of her song 'Isidro'." Which kills me. But my name didn't change along with everything else -- probably because it's also a verb and would screw things up. <BR/><BR/>Sorry for the threadjack, but I had to tell <I>someone.</I> <BR/><BR/>Isidro. <BR/><BR/>Heh.Rob S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07331286524477806963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1159826078298649752006-10-02T17:54:00.000-04:002006-10-02T17:54:00.000-04:00Mickle, thank you for that link. That regender eng...Mickle, thank you for that link. That regender engine is a scream.Rob S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07331286524477806963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1159813401241154612006-10-02T14:23:00.000-04:002006-10-02T14:23:00.000-04:00I find a LOT of the mainstream feminist sites VERY...I find a LOT of the mainstream feminist sites VERY exclusionary, smug and narcissistic. It feels just like I've wandered into a good ol' boy hangout, and I'm not welcome. That's why I stick to the fringe groups who are focusing on a specific complaint. I guess our groups just aren't big enough to attract "fashionable followers" - those people who show up to a protest just to look cool. They can't get the exposure they want from fringe groups, so they stick to the mainstream, where they can internalize the exclusionary and narcissistic values of the patriarchy, and practice their more subtle prejudices in a safe space.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1159810973810988442006-10-02T13:42:00.000-04:002006-10-02T13:42:00.000-04:00Giving up superhero comics to the guys is just Not...<I>Giving up superhero comics to the guys is just Not An Acceptable Option.</I><BR/><BR/>It's too much like surrender, and we feminists don't do surrender anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1159803699339949052006-10-02T11:41:00.000-04:002006-10-02T11:41:00.000-04:00Argh, yes. It's just another case of being told "s...Argh, yes. It's just another case of being told "superheroes aren't for you". We get enough of that already. As if women aren't supposed to have adolescent power fantasies too. Giving up superhero comics to the guys is just Not An Acceptable Option.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1159772161930906792006-10-02T02:56:00.000-04:002006-10-02T02:56:00.000-04:00Imagine the outcry if someone said something like ...<I>Imagine the outcry if someone said something like this:<BR/><BR/>"Hrm. And, agressive feminists wonder why they can’t get laid..."</I><BR/><BR/>Wait! - so I've been imagining all the times someone has said that so and so is a feminist because she can't get a man?<BR/><BR/>Whew - that's good to know.<BR/><BR/>For a moment there I thought there were stereotypes about feminists too! Sexual ones even!<BR/><BR/><I>Stereotypes like these are BAD, havn't people gotten that into their heads yet?</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://pandagon.net/2006/06/20/pretty-girls-arent-good-providers/" REL="nofollow">Some people have</A>, for the most part anyway, but unfortunately being smart about one thing doesn't mean you are smart about everything.Micklehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634363950848962653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1159762166260672792006-10-02T00:09:00.000-04:002006-10-02T00:09:00.000-04:00Wait, wait, wait! You mean comic book nerds CAN g...Wait, wait, wait! You mean comic book nerds CAN get laid?<BR/><BR/>Oh, I've wasted my life...Hale of Angelthornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15657027427170709519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1159760501579805342006-10-01T23:41:00.000-04:002006-10-01T23:41:00.000-04:00Imagine the outcry if someone said something like ...Imagine the outcry if someone said something like this:<BR/><BR/>"Hrm. And, agressive feminists wonder why they can’t get laid..."<BR/><BR/>Stereotypes like these are BAD, havn't people gotten that into their heads yet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1159720057950719752006-10-01T12:27:00.000-04:002006-10-01T12:27:00.000-04:00Did you notice that was a Wizard blurb? It's not ...Did you notice that was a <I>Wizard</I> blurb? It's not <B>even</B> comics!ComicBookGoddesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01972671566599447047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1159693686027617112006-10-01T05:08:00.000-04:002006-10-01T05:08:00.000-04:00I think it's partly because comics (at least outsi...I think it's partly because comics (at least outside the popular indie stuff) still are classified as "low-art," and are just susceptible to being quickly written off with over-generalized, stereotyped quips (I remember being pissed off at a Daily Show gag at video games being for losers). The overwhelming negative stuff (that usually is more prominent) just reinforces their preconcieved notions of an industry and audience that's monolithicly sexist. And the question is if there are positive examples strong and persuasive enough to convince them there's progress been made. I do think an outsider perspective is important, because if it still looks ugly from the outside, can you say a significant progress is being made? <BR/><BR/>It just reminds me of <A HREF="http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/09/28/girls-discover-wizard-sexist/" REL="nofollow">this article</A>. If DC and Marvel <I>don't</I> change, and the advice is to move on to other genres, then superheroes are going to dwindle to a niche genre with the same bad reputation. If the industry is built to pander to boys and guys (having to go by the Wizard guide to work in the mainstream), then nothing short of a major change <I>in</I> the industry would be convincing for outside critics. They'd probably agree with a critic like Adorno about a mass/pop culture being an industry that enforces a biased ideology, and comics being just another example of that. Something like <I>Birds of Prey</I> or <I>Spider-Girl</I> would be marked as outliers, since the majority of the industry is still seen to be built to express this ideology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1159691167215704942006-10-01T04:26:00.000-04:002006-10-01T04:26:00.000-04:00I remember reading one commenter saying that it is...I remember reading one commenter saying that it is impossible to gleam meaningful social commentary, especially regarding gender issues, from superhero comics, because it's a genre rooted in male adolescent empowerment fantasies.<BR/><BR/>Some time later the same writer praised a novel by Orson Scott Card to the skies and saw all sorts of "complex meanings" in it, as though much of contemporary popular sci-fi doesn't have similar origins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com