tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post114699009416176308..comments2024-01-02T09:18:23.893-05:00Comments on Written World: Phantom Lady BreastrospectiveRagnellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1151596145446380272006-06-29T11:49:00.000-04:002006-06-29T11:49:00.000-04:00Thanks for showing me this link. I missed it on th...Thanks for showing me this link. I missed it on the first go-around on Larsen's commentary. What irritated me about his response was the admission of "Her personality may be unique -- I wouldn't know -- I've never read a comic book featuring the character," but he knows her by reputation. Like she's some floozy in town everyone knows is no good, because she dresses a certain way. Sooooo... because she's well beloved as a cheesecake cover girl that's the way she should remain, regardless of her history or her background?Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10786372718401697134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1147944756711267712006-05-18T05:32:00.000-04:002006-05-18T05:32:00.000-04:00Mickle -- To simultaneously get past the censors a...Mickle -- To simultaneously get past the censors and draw attention to the naughty bits. Didn't you read <A HREF="http://burningbronte.blogspot.com/2006/03/musings-on-jog-dworkin-and-vampirella.html" REL="nofollow">Dan's essay</A>?<BR/><BR/>Jenn -- Those are all pre-90s comics, before the big Image Bust-Out.<BR/><BR/>christopher -- I think he may be more defending himself than Acuna.<BR/><BR/>Sherin -- Thanks! And yeah, you can count me in on cursing the skeevy bastard. Never trusted those Eternals.Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1147798917156278072006-05-16T13:01:00.000-04:002006-05-16T13:01:00.000-04:00Ragnell! That is just too good."I guess Power Girl...Ragnell! That is just too good.<BR/><BR/>"I guess Power Girl's brassy attitude, unapologetic honesty...were fabricated by my own sick imagination...and the only thing that distinguished our Phantom Lady was her humongous bazongas!"<BR/><BR/>Larsen seems to have always been of that mind. He's a breast man as witnessed by Savage Dragon's two great loves Rapture and Jennifer. Both are Breastacular to the point of back surgery. Add that to the fact that he's never taken creator critiques too well. I myself got 'cussed' (in his letter columns) for musing on how nice if would be if he killed off the drab and boring Jennifer...Still, I'm disappoined that he actually let that crap escape his brain...<BR/><BR/>So, um, you coming with me to put the Hex down on Starfox, or what?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1147424129433282712006-05-12T04:55:00.000-04:002006-05-12T04:55:00.000-04:00Man, how many times do I have to say it:Cheesecake...Man, how many times do I have to say it:<BR/><BR/>Cheesecake is not a right, it's a privelage.<BR/><BR/>A well-drawn woman with small breasts is going to look better then a poorly drawn woman with large breasts.<BR/><BR/>Besides that, explicitly cheesecakey poses invite us to examine the art more closely. If art is used to tell a story, then it can be very simple; even stick figures can effectively communicate a story.<BR/><BR/>Cheesecake, on the other hand, is a kind of art that exists to showcase the art itself. In other words, a cheesecake picture changes the focus from the story to the art, and thus makes us examine the art more closely then we otherwise would.<BR/><BR/>The end result is that that first panel of Phantom Lady gives me sympathy pains in my lower back. I mean, seriously, can she even straighten up? Maybe she was hit by a car and it left a dent.<BR/><BR/>As for Mr. Larsen, I have no idea who he's defending himself from. Where are these legions of fangirls demanding that Phantom Girl have a breast reduction?<BR/><BR/>On feminist sites, I've only seen three complaints:<BR/><BR/>1. Cheesecake is drawn by people who can't draw women to save their lives.<BR/>2. There aren't a lot of different body types given to women in comics<BR/>3. It's disproportionately women who are objectified.<BR/><BR/>I mean it seems like the two of you are talking past each other, but at least you have examples to back up what you're saying.<BR/><BR/>It seems like Mr. Larsen just pulled something completely out of his ass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1147141585374164972006-05-08T22:26:00.000-04:002006-05-08T22:26:00.000-04:00Re: the last panelI realize that fabric isn't much...Re: the last panel<BR/><BR/>I realize that fabric isn't much use against claws...(Although, can't they get some of the stuff they use in The Incredibles? And wasn't Superman's suit always supposed to made out of extra special fabric from his space capsule?)<BR/><BR/>..but when it gets to the point that the most your hero's top does is give claws something to grab, really, what's the point of drawing <I>any</I> clothes on them?Micklehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13634363950848962653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1147073724748313512006-05-08T03:35:00.000-04:002006-05-08T03:35:00.000-04:00For those of you interested in the Great Larsen's ...For those of you interested in the Great Larsen's response to my humble Breastrospective, check <A HREF="http://www.imagecomics.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?p=246160#246160" REL="nofollow">here</A>.<BR/><BR/>He seems to still want to avoid the fact that this issue isn't about censorship, or variety when it comes to characters, but rather its about Bad Art and Bad Artists hiding their complete lack of knowledge about the human anatomy behind Bad Cheesecake/Porn.<BR/><BR/>If you can't draw a reasonable D-cup, you shouldn't be drawing women professionally.Ragnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373059673228550524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1147044779869080332006-05-07T19:32:00.000-04:002006-05-07T19:32:00.000-04:00You know what the funny part is? Chuck Austen drew...You know what the funny part is? Chuck Austen drew that last panel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1147037288031947102006-05-07T17:28:00.000-04:002006-05-07T17:28:00.000-04:00If Phantom Lady's purpose is to serve as eye-candy...If Phantom Lady's purpose is to serve as eye-candy for the male readers, why has DC assigned her to so many artists who draw her so badly?Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07184638921669629752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16538843.post-1147014241893650432006-05-07T11:04:00.000-04:002006-05-07T11:04:00.000-04:00I will be using the phrase "demand to differ," so ...I will be using the phrase "demand to differ," so thank you.<BR/><BR/>I think what Mr. Larsen is thinking of is <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Phantom_Lady_17.jpg" REL="nofollow">the cover to Phantom Lady #17,</A> which was reprinted in Sedution of the Innocent. THAT image, which for many is the most memorable image of Phantom Lady, features some ginourmous cans and prominant nippleage.<BR/><BR/>So that's ONE image, originally used as an example of the WORST of objectification, and Larsen thinks that's how the character is SUPPOSED to be. The idiot.Stevenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14772087090448461047noreply@blogger.com